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Shinji Shobogenzo, collection of koans master Dogen

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Obaku Master Ki-One Mount Obaku in the district of Ko asked the master Hyakujo Ekai: When I want to share with others the lessons that you gave us, how should I teach?

Master Hyakujo Ekai remained sitting on his pillow and said nothing.

Obaku Ki-one said: How can I teach the son and grand-son of the disciples in the future?

Master Hyakujo Ekai said What you just said proves that you are somebody big.



Commentary Gudo Nishijima Roshi

This koan is similar to the history of Devanam Sakra Indra asked the Buddha "How can I protect those who wish to practice the Dharma?" , what the Buddha had responded by asking "Can you see the Dharma that you want to protect? Where is it? The desire to protect the Dharma is the same as that of protecting the area. The Buddhist practitioners protect Dharma and protect themselves by living in truth. "

The first question was abstract Obaku master. He wanted to know the best way to convey the intellectual content of the teachings of his master. The response Hyakujo was similar to that of Buddha, and more direct. He responded by presenting his own Buddhist practice, while sitting in zazen.

Master Obaku understood the value of the behavior of his master. So he put a more practical question. How could he convey the teachings of the future people with whom he would have no direct contact. In response, master Hyakujo simply told him that his (that of Obaku) understanding of the actions of his master, as well as his concern for the future disciples, showed he was a man living in reality.
Hyakujo Master was pleased qu'Obaku could pass the level of abstract philosophy at a more convenient and practical concern for his disciples and their descendants. He had no doubt about the ability to solve his problem Obaku.

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Shinji Shobogenzo, the collection of koans from Dogen Master Dogen Sangha

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One day, Master Sekito Kisen visited the master Seigen Gyôshi Jogo temple on Mount Seigen in the District of Ki. Seigen master asked him Where do you get?

Sekito Master replied: Sokei From Mt.

Seigen Master (by grabbing his fly swatter) said: Is there something like this at Mount Sokei?

Sekito Master replied: No, not at Mount Sokei, or even in India.

Master Seigen said You never been to India, is not it?

Sekito Master replied: If I went to India, I find a flapper like yours

Master Seigen said You never been to India, so you should say something in line with your experience.

Sekito Master replied: The master could he express it in two or three concrete words, instead of letting me do everything I Kisen?

Master Seigen said It's not that I refuse to say something to you, but if I did, you would not be able to reach the target by yourself in the future.



COMMENT Nishijima Roshi

Master Seigen Gyôshi was a disciple of Master Daikan Eno, the sixth patriarch of China, and Sekito Kisen was to become his disciple. Mount Sokei Sekito arrived where he had lived until his master Daikan mort.Maître Seigen was quite proud of his lectures on Buddhism and, waving his fly whisk, he asked if Sekito conferences Mount Sokei Buddhism also explained well as his. The hossu, a flapper ornamental badge of Buddhist masters, is a symbol of the Buddhist truth.
In response, master Sekito uses hossu as a concrete symbol of the teachings of Master Seigen. He says there's nowhere lessons that are quite similar to Seigen or to where it happens, or India. Master
Seigen noted that Sekito could not find India, as it had never been there, but Sekito replies that it is possible to find the same teachings in India, the birthplace of Buddha.
However, master Seigen found that this response was unrealistic, and said that we should only speak from personal experience. Master
Sekito felt a bit speechless about a satisfactory answer, and asked the teacher for help.
Finally, Seigen Gyôshi master tells him that it would be easy, but do Sekito deprive of the opportunity to express his own truth.

The story structure contains four different views. The first is the idealist and intellectual, represented by the question master Seigen Conferences Buddhist, symbolized by the fly swatter.
In the second view, Sekito sees things from a materialistic point of view: the physical hossu hossu --- the real master is Seigen --- this is only one place, not in India or to Sokei.
Seigen Master is not satisfied and want to hear something more realistic. He knew that Sekito had never been to India, he would ask him to speak from experience, and no assumptions. From the perspective of ultimate master Seigen knew Sekito should learn how to express her own truth. That was something nobody could do it for him.